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The pursuing is simply a transcript of an question and reply pinch David Becker, Samantha Vinograd and Chris Krebs connected "Face nan Nation pinch Margaret Brennan" that aired connected Nov. 3, 2024.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to Face The Nation and our sheet of predetermination rule and information experts. David Becker is nan Executive Director of nan Center for Election Innovation and Research. Chris Krebs is nan erstwhile caput of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency nether nan Trump administration. And Samantha Vinograd was astir precocious a counterterrorism charismatic astatine nan Department of Homeland Security nether nan Biden administration. Good greeting to you each mounting nan array for a consequential week. Chris, I want to commencement pinch you. We're successful that 48-hour model that Microsoft warned was going to beryllium rife pinch attempts to hack people's minds. We've seen astatine slightest 4 clone videos nan FBI and US intelligence person warned are meant to manipulate. Yesterday, nan FBI said location were 2 retired location that are fake. Before that, we had disclosures that Russia was down a Bucks County, Pennsylvania clone video and 1 targeting voters successful Georgia, falsely claiming that Haitian migrants were voting. How do these strategies that Russia is utilizing now comparison to what you saw successful 2020 and backmost successful 2016?
CHRIS KREBS: Well, they've evolved their techniques from generating and launching contented from, for instance, St. Petersburg. That's what we saw successful 2016, you had nan net investigation agency operating retired of an agency building, almost for illustration a normal business. Over clip though, fixed nan improvements successful nan intelligence community, Cyber Command, and our ain consciousness of nan activities and what they're doing, they've started to push nan boundaries out. And truthful they're really generating content, and past they're laundering it efficaciously done different platforms for illustration Telegram, and moreover now, what we're seeing is simply a important magnitude of laundering done X. And past US citizens prime up this accusation and prime up these videos, and past they beforehand it connected their ain accounts and connected their ain societal media platforms for illustration Facebook. So they're moving it out. They're avoiding nan techniques that US rule enforcement intelligence has deployed and developed, and truthful they're not arsenic good, though. So a batch of these videos that we're seeing, they're really rather amateurish. That's not to opportunity they can't person amended contented coming forward, but really they're conscionable benignant of flooding nan area and trying to distract.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And confuse and sow- and sow distrust of our institutions. Sam, US intelligence has been briefing and disclosing. That's portion of what they're doing to effort to counteract this. We besides saw early connected warnings astir Iran and what they are doing. The assessment, Iran favors Harris, Russia favors Trump. What shape of power are we seeing?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, Iran has 2 main goals successful this predetermination cycle. First, to denigrate President Trump, they person expressed a precedent, excuse me, a penchant for vice president Harris based upon Trump's grounds successful agency and their cognition of what Mr. Trump would do if elected. That's nonsubjective one. Objective 2 is to sow discord, and they position undermining perceptions astir nan integrity of our elections arsenic an effective tool. So they are utilizing power operations to denigrate Mr. Trump and to sow discord utilizing AI generated contented really focused successful peculiar on, for example, allegations of elector fraud. We should expect Iran to proceed progressively blase power operations related to perceptions of a deficiency of predetermination integrity. That will past good aft polls close, Margaret. This is nan astir attenuated predetermination information related threat situation we person apt seen successful history.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It's not astir conscionable changing votes. It's astir not trusting our democracy. David, 76 cardinal Americans already voted. So tin we opportunity those numbers show nan adversaries are failing, aliases are nan predetermination workers you're speaking pinch really concerned astir what's to come?
DAVID BECKER: Well, it's-it has accrued our expertise to beryllium resilient against nan disinformation. The much group who ballot early, they've efficaciously inoculated themselves against disinformation that mightiness beryllium inclined to beryllium intended to thief them aforesaid suppress their ballot aliases confuse them astir really to vote. So nan truth that we've had complete 76 cardinal ballot already, and that's going to summation by respective cardinal much erstwhile each nan message ballots are in, erstwhile there's moreover early voting going connected coming still successful astir 27 states and DC. So that's very good. That intends nan number of group that still request to ballot connected Election Day, erstwhile disinformation mightiness beryllium very focused connected them, trying to get them confused, pinch very small clip for them to beryllium resilient against that disinformation, that's going to impact less voters. That's a very bully thing, and I deliberation we're seeing particularly successful states for illustration Georgia and North Carolina, good complete 4 cardinal votes successful each of those states has been formed millions of votes successful galore of nan plaything states. And truthful far, very fewer problems, contempt efforts to create problems, possibly from our adversaries overseas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you would constituent group to nan Secretaries of State themselves? Their websites? For reliable information.
DAVID BECKER: Yes. Whenever you request information, spell to your authorities predetermination website. That's usually nan Secretary of State's website. Sometimes successful North Carolina, Wisconsin, there's an predetermination committee aliases predetermination board. Go to your section predetermination website. If you cognize your region aliases locality wherever elections are taking place. And if you request help, spell to vote.gov that'll navigate you location eventually. Go- conscionable trust upon those sources solely for information.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Chris, erstwhile you were successful government, we did spot backmost successful 2018 disclosure by nan General astatine nan caput of past Cyber Command and nan National Security Agency opportunity that nan authorities astatine that clip group up a mini group to fundamentally sound Russia offline, to physically extremity them from immoderate of these power operations. Can nan US undertake violative operations for illustration that now?
CHRIS KREBS: Absolutely. I do think, though, that nan infrastructure that nan adversaries- nan Russians, nan Iranians- person put into spot whitethorn not beryllium wherever it erstwhile was. It has moved. Keep successful mind that earlier this year, nan Department of Justice took offline a disinformation group that we way arsenic Doppelganger. They took their various websites offline, and they did it successful a measurement that was timed truthful that they could not rebuild those websites and re found nan engagement pinch those websites successful clip for nan election. So location person been steps return taken to guarantee that nan bad guys can't execute their strategies, and successful nan meantime, you person organizations for illustration CISA that are doing much pinch much jurisdictions connected predetermination information than astatine immoderate different constituent previously. So they person a batch of assurance astir nan resilience of nan system.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But what you said astir utilizing Americans to dispersed disinformation, group are becoming unwitting agents of a overseas adversary, fundamentally by reweeting aliases reposting immoderate of these clone videos.
CHRIS KREBS: We person seen that right. So location was different section of justness announcement that a media outlet based retired of Tennessee was receiving backing from nan Russians from RT–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Tenet group
CHRIS KREBS: Tenant group. Now to David's earlier point. This is why it is truthful critically important that American voters, erstwhile they're looking for accusation astir nan election, they spell to their applicable section aliases authorities official. They cognize what's going on. Go, if you're successful Georgia, Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling are astir apt moving nan tightest vessel erstwhile it comes to elections successful nan state correct now, they're incredibly effective. They're retired there. They're putting accusation successful nan hands of nan American group truthful they understand what's happening. And truthful erstwhile Russian operations for illustration nan Haitian voters, pops up, they were connected it immediately, and they knocked it down. That is hugely effective successful maintaining spot successful nan process.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sam, we person seen concerns astir beingness security, though, arsenic good astatine voting locations. The Democratic politician of Washington State has activated nan National Guard, put them connected standby, citing wide and circumstantial accusation and concerns astir unit and unrest. You did person that driblet container successful Vancouver that damaged hundreds of ballots. There's an incendiary instrumentality there. Are location circumstantial land nan national authorities knows of astatine this time.
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, it is simply a mostly heightened threat environment, some successful position of complexity and nan magnitude of clip that coercion related threats, criminal threats and power operations by federation states will past related to nan election. It is conscionable prudent readying Margaret successful this threat situation for officials astatine each levels of government, federal, authorities and section to prosecute successful elaborate operational planning. State and section officials are successful nan lead for nan information successful their jurisdictions. Now, successful my experience, peculiarly station January 6, those operational plans must see a afloat consciousness of each disposable rule enforcement resources, nan National Guard's past resort. You person section resources, authorities resources, and past arsenic basal National Guard, arsenic good arsenic a clear consciousness of who to telephone when, truthful that location aren't connection failures. Federal officials person invested a batch of money and clip successful doing exercises, hundreds of them, pinch authorities and section officials, sharing intelligence and accusation and trying to stock champion practices. But astatine nan extremity of nan day, nan authorities and section officials are successful nan lead and should person clear operational plans for a scope of scenarios that whitethorn arise, successful particular, ample standard information incidents that whitethorn originate pinch small aliases nary warning. We learned lessons from January 6th and from my conversations pinch erstwhile colleagues that operational readying has been underway for years. Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David I want to quickly get you to respond to what Senator Rubio was raising during our interview. He was talking astir nan charges brought by nan Secretary or, I mentioned nan charges brought by nan Secretary of State against nan individual he highlighted had formed a ballot contempt not being a citizen. How is it that personification who's not a national could registry and formed a ballot? How did that moreover happen?
DAVID BECKER: Well we person respective protections successful spot to make judge it's very, very improbable this is going to happen. We've seen places for illustration Ohio, which has documented only six cases of non-citizen voting complete a decade, making love backmost to 2014. We person places for illustration Georgia that has documented 9 cases of non-citizen voting since 2008. So it does happen, but it's highly rare, and I'm judge Michigan is going to spell done nan process of evaluating precisely what went incorrect successful this 1 peculiar instance. But it's besides important to note, this is 1 case. It was very swiftly dealt with. This individual is going to suffer his admittance astatine nan University of Michigan. He's going to beryllium prosecuted, he mightiness spell to jail, and he's almost surely to beryllium deported. This is simply a cautionary tale. It's 1 of nan reasons we cognize that non-citizen voting is highly rare. It's not zero, but it's very adjacent to zero, because nan imaginable use to nan personification who perpetrates that crime 1 ballot successful an predetermination pinch 160 cardinal ballots is acold outweighed by nan imaginable consequence that they're facing of deportation and different jailhouse time, etc.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for that. I wanted you to explicate nan process, because I deliberation explaining really our courts work, of really nan systems are group up to woody pinch these things is important. One of nan things disclosed successful nan US intelligence study put retired by nan Office of nan Director of National Intelligence was that Russia is amplifying these claims of non national voting. So that's what happens.
DAVID BECKER: Right, that's what happens. And location are plentifulness of protections successful spot to make judge that this is highly rare, arsenic adjacent to zero arsenic it tin be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you. Thanks for your perspective. I cognize we'll support you connected velocity dial passim nan week. We'll beryllium correct back.
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