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On this "Face nan Nation" broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- GOP vice-presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance, Republican of Ohio
- Former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming
- CBS News head of elections and surveys Anthony Salvanto
- Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes and Secretary of nan Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Al Schmidt
Click here to browse afloat transcripts of "Face nan Nation pinch Margaret Brennan."
MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm Margaret Brennan successful Washington.
And this week connected Face nan Nation: The title to nan White House is neck-and- neck. We sat down pinch vice statesmanlike hopeful J.D. Vance. And we will person much of Norah O'Donnell's exclusive question and reply pinch statesmanlike hopeful Kamala Harris.
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KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of nan United States (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): And make nary mistake, we will win.
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of nan United States (R) and Current U.S. Presidential Candidate): It doesn't matter really we win. We person to triumph this conflict to prevention our country.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: With conscionable 9 days until Election Day, Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris are locked successful a dormant power With tens of millions of early votes already passed, they're delivering their closing messages to thrust supporters to nan polls.
Harris is doubling down connected her connection that Trump is simply a threat to democracy.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I do judge Donald Trump to beryllium an unserious man, but nan consequences of him ever being president again are brutally serious.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: With voters profoundly divided by gender, erstwhile first woman Michelle Obama amplified her informing astir Trump's threat to women's wellness care.
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MICHELLE OBAMA (Former First Lady): Please do not put our lives successful nan hands of politicians, mostly men who person nary hint aliases do not attraction astir what we arsenic women are going through.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The erstwhile president, for his part, utilizing immoderate of his sharpest connection to day to picture nan effect of forbidden immigration.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We're a dumping ground. We're for illustration a garbage tin for nan world. And each clip I travel up and talk astir what they person done to our country, I get angrier and angrier.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And his governmental opponents.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: They're truthful nasty. They're truthful evil. They are really nan force of nan people.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will person a caller CBS poll, positive an question and reply pinch Republican vice statesmanlike campaigner J.D. Vance. Former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who's campaigning for Vice President Harris, will besides subordinate us.
And we will get nan latest from apical predetermination officials successful 2 battleground states, Arizona's Adrian Fontes and Pennsylvania's Al Schmidt.
It's each conscionable up connected Face nan Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face nan Nation.
It is down to nan ligament successful run 2024, and this is shaping up to beryllium 1 of nan closest statesmanlike contests successful history. Our CBS News canvass retired this greeting shows that Vice President Kamala Harris' separator complete Donald Trump is down to conscionable 1 constituent successful nan nationalist celebrated vote.
The 2 candidates are tied successful nan battleground states collectively, and each those head-to-heads are wrong nan separator of error. We will person much from that canvass later connected successful our broadcast.
Candidates are making their last appeals to voters and pushing difficult for Americans to get retired and vote. But nan events of Friday night, erstwhile Israel launched its long-awaited retaliatory onslaught connected Iran, are compounding fears of an expanded Middle East conflict.
Our Norah O'Donnell said pinch Vice President Harris connected nan run way yesterday successful Michigan and asked her astir nan Israeli strikes.
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NORAH O'DONNELL: Israel launched an onslaught connected Iran that has raised fears of a widening conflict successful nan Middle East.
What is your connection to Iran?
KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of nan United States (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): Well, first of all, do not respond. It would beryllium a mistake.
And we are prepared to take sides Israel, arsenic we person before. We will again. But nan captious constituent is that location must beryllium a de-escalation successful nan region. And we are moving done negotiated channels and different channels to guarantee that location is simply a de-escalation successful nan region.
NORAH O'DONNELL: Is location immoderate indication, based connected nan intelligence that you person seen, that Iran wants to respond?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I can't speak to that, but we person been very clear arsenic nan United States that they should not respond and that it would beryllium a mistake.
NORAH O'DONNELL: What are nan consequences if they do?
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I will support you posted.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You tin watch much of Norah's question and reply pinch Vice President Harris tomorrow connected CBS Mornings and connected nan CBS Evening News.
While my workfellow was successful Michigan, we traveled to nan battleground authorities of Pennsylvania and caught up pinch nan Republican who wants to beryllium nan adjacent vice president.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The past clip we spoke, Iran had conscionable launched a ballistic rocket onslaught connected Israel.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE (R-Ohio) (Vice Presidential Candidate): Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And, this Friday, Israel did retaliate against Iran.
At nan debate, I asked you astir your position, and you said it's up to Israel to do immoderate it is they deliberation they request to do. The point is, is that doesn't reside nan mobility of nan information of U.S. subject unit successful nan region, correct now astir 43,000 of them.
It doesn't reside nan mobility of whether nan United States, arsenic nan largest weapons supplier, should person a say, arsenic they do nether U.S. law, arsenic to really those weapons are used.
In a Trump/Vance administration, would you support nan troops we person successful nan Middle East, aliases would you propulsion them out, arsenic President Trump tried to do successful his first administration?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Well, evidently we person a batch of troops successful a batch of different parts of nan Middle East. I deliberation it's reasonable to support Israel arsenic it deals pinch this highly unprovoked onslaught from Iran.
And let's measurement backmost a small spot here, because nan logic that Iran has each of these weapons to occurrence astatine Israel is because they person a batch of money. And wherever do they get that money from? From nan easing of lipid sanctions and from nan – nan merchandise of a batch of money that nan Biden/Harris management had efficaciously locked up.
They released it. And nan committedness of releasing it is that someway it would make nan Iranians a amended partner, would possibly get them a small spot much connected nan trajectory to being a reasonable country. That's not happening. They're conscionable utilizing that money to bargain weapons that they motorboat against Americans.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They're tightening up immoderate of nan sanctions.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: They're – they're – they're tightening them up. They're going successful nan different guidance aft making a large mistake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: And that large correction was to empower Iran financially to spend a batch of weapons that they're now firing not conscionable astatine nan Israelis, but besides astatine us. And they're besides arming nan Houthis, and that's evidently affecting world trade.
So I deliberation nan first and biggest mistake, nan point that we request to change, is, we request to extremity giving nan Iranians money that they usage to make ourselves and our friends weaker successful nan region. When we talk – erstwhile it comes to Israel specifically, look, I don't deliberation that we should beryllium taking assets retired of nan Middle East astatine a clip erstwhile our astir important state successful nan region is coming nether important attack.
I don't deliberation that would nonstop nan correct message. And, astir importantly, it's not conscionable Israel. It's us. We person interests that are important successful nan Middle East. We evidently person to woody pinch – woody pinch nan Houthis somehow, because we want to reopen nan lines of world trade. Very difficult to do that if we do a full-scale withdrawal,.
But if location are definite countries wherever possibly we shouldn't person troops, I'm consenting to person that conversation. But, you know, you're talking astir 14 different theaters, 14 different unit deployments.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: It's difficult to make a wide changeable – wide changeable conclusion astir nan full thing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, it would beryllium a circumstantial mobility connected Iraq, since nan Biden management said 2026, nan twelvemonth you person to make a determination connected troops. Do you person a position connected that astatine this point?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: On Iraq specifically?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: No, I mean, look, I deliberation we request to look astatine nan situation. We evidently request to person a speech pinch our – our friends successful Iraq and evidently recognize, wherever – what is nan guidance of Iraq?
Are they becoming much and much friends of Iran? Are they becoming a small spot much of a bully partner successful nan Middle East? So, it's – it's difficult to opportunity what we're going to do 2 years down nan road, because we're not – we don't cognize what nan world is going to look for illustration 2 years down nan road.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Staying connected nationalist security, arsenic you know, nan FBI and nan head of nationalist intelligence connected Friday said Russia is down a clone video that is circulating of personification tearing up ballots successful Pennsylvania, nan authorities we're sitting successful correct now.
They measure Russia will merchandise much media for illustration this successful nan coming weeks. What value should Moscow salary for trying to manipulate American voters?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Well, look, I deliberation each – a batch of countries are going to effort to manipulate our voters. They're going to effort to manipulate our elections. That's what they do.
I deliberation nan bigger mobility is, what is successful our champion liking vis-a-vis Russia, not what value Russia should salary for putting retired societal media videos. And I deliberation what's successful our champion liking vis-a-vis Russia is, successful particular, for them to extremity supporting nan Iranians arsenic nan Iranians prosecute successful acts of aggression.
And I think, erstwhile it comes to Europe, it's important for nan sidesplitting to extremity successful Russia and Ukraine. I don't deliberation that we should group American overseas argumentation based connected a overseas state spreading videos connected societal media. I deliberation we should group American overseas argumentation based connected what's successful our champion liking arsenic a United States.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You don't see that predetermination interference and crossing a reddish line?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: I deliberation it's bad. I deliberation it's bad.
But societal media posts and societal media videos, Margaret, you want america to spell to warfare because nan Russians made a ridiculous video aliases paid for it?
MARGARET BRENNAN: But location are options different than war, arsenic you know, sanctions, different measures. I mean, that doesn't…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Well, but – but this – this raises a difficult question, Margaret, because each – everything…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Manipulating voters, that's portion of our democracy.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Everything that we've tried, a batch of nan sanctions that we've tried, they've gone disconnected for illustration a bedewed firecracker. We promised astatine nan opening of nan Russia-Ukraine warfare that we would prosecute successful financial atomic warfare against nan Russians.
Biden administration, Harris management officials talked astir really our sanctions would cripple their economy. They didn't. And truthful we person to beryllium realistic astir what America tin accomplish, comparison it against our nationalist interests and conscionable beryllium smart astir this.
I don't deliberation that we should overreact to anything. What we should do is promote our chap Americans to beryllium careful. Don't spot everything that you spot connected societal media. And, of course, we should push backmost wherever appropriate. But that's nan large question, is, what is an due consequence to a state making societal media videos?
I'm not going to make a committedness to that sitting correct here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you person afloat assurance that nan authorities of Pennsylvania and nan predetermination officials present are administering this predetermination fairly? Do you foresee litigation successful this state?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Look, I deliberation that they're doing a bully job. I deliberation that they're doing a amended occupation than they were successful 2020.
And, astir importantly, I deliberation astir Americans are seeing, whether it's elector I.D. successful places for illustration Wisconsin aliases Georgia aliases a small spot of tightening of nan regulations astir signature verification successful places for illustration Pennsylvania, that I deliberation our elections are successful a beautiful bully spot successful 2024.
Obviously, if thing comes up – we don't cognize what nan early is going to hold. If we spot evidence, for example, of an forbidden alien casting a ballot, yes, we're going to situation that successful court.
But seeing what I – what I spot correct now, 10 days retired from nan election, Margaret, I deliberation Pennsylvania is successful a really bully spot. I deliberation we're going to triumph nan state, and I deliberation Pennsylvanians, Republicans, Democrats, independents, should person assurance successful nan elections here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: At a minimum, would you telephone connected Moscow to sound it off, to not station videos for illustration this successful nan coming weeks?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Well, of course. I would telephone them to sound it off. But this is not a schoolyard. I telephone connected Moscow to sound it off, are they really going to do it?
We request to person a real, superior speech pinch nan Russians, but besides pinch ourselves, astir what devices of diplomacy and statecraft we person to dissuade nan Russians. So, yes, I condemn nan Russians for backing clone societal media views, but I don't deliberation that my occupation arsenic a statesman, arsenic a personification who wants to beryllium nan adjacent vice president of nan United States, is to spell prosecute successful saber-rattling.
My occupation is to fig retired really we tin champion respond to these threats. And, unfortunately, acknowledgment to Kamala Harris's leadership, we're successful a overmuch weaker abstraction vis-a-vis Russia than we were 3.5 years ago.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to inquire you astir polling and wherever we are successful this campaign.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney called you and Donald Trump misogynistic pigs. She urged voters to look astatine what you person said successful nan past.
And she said of you personally – quote – "You've sewage a existent women problem."
Do you deliberation your summons has a women problem?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: No, I don't deliberation that we do, but we person to make our champion lawsuit to women and to men arsenic good arsenic we can.
And, of course, women and men are going to determine wherever nan chips yet fall. I deliberation it's a much absorbing reflection of Kamala Harris's run that, astatine this precocious stage, she's not talking astir really she tin little nan value of groceries, because she raised nan value of groceries. She's not talking astir really she tin little nan value of housing, because her argumentation saw a 40 percent summation successful nan costs of housing.
She's going to Michigan pinch Liz Cheney, nan personification whose begetter is responsible for nan deaths of millions of guiltless Arabs and tens of thousands of guiltless American troops, and saying, effectively, that, if you elite me, I'm going to person nan overseas argumentation of Dick and Liz Cheney.
I don't deliberation that connection is going to alert successful Michigan. I don't deliberation it flies successful Pennsylvania either.
MARGARET BRENNAN: On nan topic, though, of – of really nan run is doing, our CBS polling shows a important gender spread here; 40 percent of women opportunity nan Trump run is paying excessively overmuch attraction to men's concerns; 56 percent of women opportunity nan Trump run is paying excessively small attraction to women's concerns.
You opportunity 1 of your apical advisers is your wife, Usha.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Yes, nan apical adviser.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What is she – so, what is she telling you? Because nan information says you do person a women problem.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Well, what she's telling maine is, we sewage to make nan lawsuit to women arsenic good arsenic we can, and yet spot successful nan contented of those women to make a determination astir what's successful nan champion liking of their family.
All I tin opportunity to women voters, and frankly, to men voters too, but to each Americans, is, I deliberation that Donald Trump is nan personification who's going to little nan costs of groceries. I cognize that Donald Trump is nan personification who is going to unafraid nan confederate border. Donald Trump has a scheme to unfastened up American energy, to little nan costs of equipment and to make our neighborhoods and communities safer.
I cognize a batch of women attraction a batch astir nan information of their communities. What does it opportunity astir Kamala Harris' activity that convulsive crime has gone up? What does it opportunity astir nan truth that fentanyl overdose deaths person accrued nether her leadership? I deliberation that we tin make a bully lawsuit to women, but I'm not going to show them who they person to ballot for.
I'm going to effort to seduce them. The voters are yet going to decide.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You took a vow, first arsenic a Marine and past arsenic a United States senator, to protect and defend…
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Of course.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … nan Constitution of nan United States of America.
Can you guarantee nan American group that you will do everything you tin to guidelines by that and to make judge that President Trump abides by nan Constitution?
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Of – of course.
But I don't interest astir Donald Trump. I deliberation that Donald Trump believes successful nan Constitution. It's why he's moving for president a 3rd time, is because he's worried that Kamala Harris has surgery nan top system successful nan world, and Donald Trump will hole it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He's talked astir suspending it, nan January 6 events. I don't person to retread nan territory you good cognize astir challenging nan certification of nan election.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: I – I – I – I deliberation that Donald Trump believes successful nan American Constitution. I cognize he does. I person seen it successful his actions. I person talked to him astir it.
But you asked astir me. And, personally, yes, my first loyalty is to nan American group and to nan United States Constitution. I deliberation nan champion measurement to service loyally to those group and to that Constitution is to get america backmost successful a spot wherever Americans tin spend to unrecorded a decent life again.
That's why we're moving nan run focused connected nan affordability of goods, American manufacturing – it's a large woody present successful Erie, Pennsylvania – and surely connected securing that confederate border.
I deliberation nan threats to our Constitution, Margaret – and I do deliberation they're real. The threats to our Constitution travel from Kamala Harris, who's saying that she wants to censor Americans, alternatively of seduce them.
Whether you work together pinch maine aliases Donald Trump aliases disagree pinch us, we judge successful nan First Amendment. We're going to conflict for your correct to speak your mind and deliberation immoderate you want successful nan United States of America.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Vance, you person a engaged schedule. Thank you.
SENATOR J.D. VANCE: Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Stay pinch us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're backmost pinch erstwhile Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who has been campaigning for Vice President Kamala Harris.
Welcome backmost to Face nan Nation.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY (R-Wyoming): Thank you. Great to beryllium pinch you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I person a number of questions for you, but I do want to commencement wherever I near disconnected pinch Senator Vance.
He responded to your characterization of him arsenic a misogynistic pig by attacking your begetter and his domiciled successful nan Iraq War. Donald Trump has besides done so. Do you attraction to respond?
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: Look, I deliberation that they are doing everything they tin to effort to distract from nan truth that nan group who cognize Donald Trump best, including retired Four-Star Marine General John Kelly, who is simply a Gold Star father, person travel retired and said very intelligibly and very straight to nan American group that Donald Trump is not fit, that Donald Trump himself opinionated adjacent nan graves of our fallen work members says things for illustration they are suckers and losers.
We each watched connected January 6, erstwhile Donald Trump sat successful nan eating room adjacent to nan Oval Office for hours, for hours, and watched group pinch his flags and his name, a mob he had sent to nan Capitol, he watched them brutally hit constabulary officers and invade our Capitol.
His ain vice president is not voting for him. His chiefs of unit aren't voting for him, secretaries of defense, nationalist information adviser.
So, you know, this is wholly unprecedented. I don't think, surely successful my lifetime, astir apt successful American history, person you had a business wherever truthful galore of nan apical officials of nan erstwhile president are saying they won't ballot for him.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: And I think, you know, we're going to perceive continued assaults and rhetoric from Donald Trump and J.D. Vance to effort to screen that up.
But, astatine nan extremity of nan day, it's desperation. The American group are – are overmuch smarter than that and – and they spot done it, I'm confident.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Given really outspoken you person been, are you concerned astir your individual information if Donald Trump wins this election, arsenic he good whitethorn do?
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: Look, first of all, I americium very assured that Vice President Harris is going to triumph this election. It's what we're seeing each crossed nan country, nan benignant of perfectly unprecedented conjugation that's coming together to support her.
You know, we're each going to tally done nan tape, and cipher is overconfident here, but I do judge she's going to beryllium nan adjacent president of nan United States.
And I deliberation that Donald Trump has ushered unit into our authorities successful a measurement that we haven't seen before. Any unit is unacceptable. Certainly, nan assassination effort connected nan erstwhile president was wholly unacceptable and evidently should ne'er person happened.
But erstwhile you person a business where, you know, Donald Trump suggests that group who disagree pinch him ought to beryllium put earlier subject tribunals, that nan erstwhile president of nan Chief – Joint Chiefs of Staff should beryllium hanged for treason, and his moving mate, you know, doubles down connected it, you know, I deliberation that – that tells you that you're dealing pinch a man who doesn't person immoderate conscience.
And nan group who worked astir intimately pinch him cognize that. And truthful I'm assured that he's going to beryllium defeated adjacent week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're seeing a really absorbing gender disagreement successful this election. And I cognize you've been appealing to group to ballot their conscience, and you said they ne'er person to opportunity a connection to anybody astir who they really do ballot for.
Yesterday, erstwhile first woman Michelle Obama said thing similar. Take a listen.
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MICHELLE OBAMA (Former First Lady): If you are a female who lives successful a family of men that don't perceive to you aliases worth your opinion, conscionable retrieve that your ballot is simply a backstage matter.
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MICHELLE OBAMA: Regardless of nan governmental views of your partner, you get to choose.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I person to say, it's a small striking. It sounds a small 1950s aliases 1970s.
Are you really proceeding from female voters that they're acrophobic to show their spouses who they're voting for?
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: Yes, you know, what we're seeing is truthful important and truthful interesting. You've seen a existent conjugation of women who are pro-life and pro-choice travel together to support Vice President Harris.
And that's because we've seen immoderate of nan – conscionable nan draconian laws that person been passed successful places for illustration Texas and North Carolina that are preventing women from getting lifesaving wellness care, preventing women from getting aesculapian attraction that you cognize will guarantee that, if they person a miscarriage, that they tin person babies again, conscionable fundamentally a group of circumstances that can't beryllium maintained.
And truthful you person a increasing conjugation supporting Vice President Harris. You surely person had galore Republicans who are speaking retired to endorse her, which, again, is unprecedented. And location are besides galore Republicans and independents who are saying, look, you know, I don't want to bring nan wrath of, you know, Donald Trump and J.D. Vance down connected me, truthful I'm going to ballot my conscience, I'm not going to talk astir it.
And we, you know, obviously, promote that. Your ballot is simply a concealed vote. You should do what you cognize is right. And – and I deliberation you're going to have, frankly, a batch of men and women who will spell into nan voting booth and will ballot their conscience, will ballot for Vice President Harris. They whitethorn not ever opportunity thing publicly, but nan results will speak for themselves.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It's an absorbing conjugation you're talking astir successful position of nan pro-life activity and wherever we are now. And you're talking astir a conjugation here.
How do you explicate to personification astatine location who whitethorn agree, arsenic you do, pinch nan pro-life position that abortion is murder, and reconcile that pinch putting that condemnation speech and voting for Vice President Harris? How did you do that?
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: Yes, I don't deliberation it's astir putting convictions aside.
I deliberation it's astir looking astatine nan reality connected nan crushed of what's happened since Roe was overturned. And, again, erstwhile you person a spot for illustration Texas, wherever women request lifesaving care, you know, possibly it's a female who's had a miscarriage and she whitethorn beryllium bleeding out, and she cannot get a DNC, she can't get nan attraction that she needs, because there's interest that possibly that attraction has been criminalized.
And, you know, you person a business besides successful Texas wherever nan lawyer wide is suing, literally, he's suing truthful that he tin spot nan aesculapian records of women who person sought abortions. And, you know, this is coming from group who support Donald Trump, and Donald Trump won't fto anybody spot his ain aesculapian records.
So, nan thought that – that, you know, you've sewage those kinds of policies and authorities laws being put successful spot is really mobilizing women to say, look, you know, you don't person to wantonness being pro-life, but this benignant of circumstance, this benignant of really abhorrent business wherever women can't get aesculapian attraction they need, that conscionable can't spell on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you deliberation that Vice President Harris going to nan Ellipse connected Tuesday, arsenic she plans to do, to make her closing statement is really nan astir effective one?
Because we spot successful our polling that, connected some sides of nan aisle, each statement is blaming nan different for undermining democracy. Why do you deliberation that would thief put Harris complete nan people and thief win?
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: Yes, I deliberation it's truthful interesting.
I think, erstwhile you – erstwhile you look astatine nan polling, first of all, group person to remember, this is nan first statesmanlike predetermination post-January 6. And so, you know, you've got, successful fact, galore of nan aforesaid group who were promising a reddish activity successful 2022 doing nan aforesaid point now. We're not going to spot it now. We didn't spot it then.
And what Vice President Harris has done, I person watched her do it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: I person sat adjacent to her connected nan shape arsenic she does it. She talks astir a full scope of issues. She talks astir market prices.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: She talks astir women's wellness care. She talks about, you know, Donald Trump's tariff policies…
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: … which are massively inflationary…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: … and astatine nan aforesaid clip reminds everybody…
MARGARET BRENNAN: We've sewage to…
FORMER REPRESENTATIVE LIZ CHENEY: … you person to person a president who obeys nan norm of law.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're hitting a difficult break here.
Thank you, erstwhile Congresswoman Cheney.
We will beryllium correct back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to FACE THE NATION.
With a person look astatine our caller CBS poll, we're joined by our executive head of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, awesome to person you here.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Good to beryllium here. Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning.
Well, we person seen successful your polling of nan celebrated ballot that this is cervix and neck. As we know, it comes down to nan magic 270, nan electoral count. And those battleground states that person those hefty electoral votes pinch them are really what are being focused connected by nan campaigns.
In your numbers, those are besides dormant even.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Yes, this is arsenic tight arsenic each this has ever been. Big picture, nan nationalist ballot is everyone's voice, of course, and that each counts. But successful that title to 270, for electoral votes, it's going to travel down to a handful, we deliberation 7 battleground states. Across them it is precisely even. Hasn't really moved overmuch complete nan people of this campaign. The individual states themselves are each close. I do deliberation it's curious, this year, much than others, nan nationalist ballot is search very intimately pinch those battleground states. It could mean we've conscionable sewage a very nationalized predetermination here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You have, done this election, peculiarly since Vice President Harris moved to nan apical of nan ticket, talked astir nan disagreement on gender lines. What are you proceeding from voters?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: So, that gender gap, which is now, successful our polling, nan largest we've seen yet this year, is driven by a mates of things, I think, starting pinch people's views connected larger societal factors. And we asked people, what do you deliberation astir U.S. efforts to beforehand much gender equality? When group opportunity those efforts, they believe, person gone excessively far, and that's a small much men who opportunity that, they're voting overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. When group opportunity those efforts haven't gone acold enough, and galore women opportunity that, they're voting overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Those numbers are beautiful stark.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: They really are. And it's 1 of nan biggest splits successful nan - it's a reminder that nan gender spread isn't conscionable a transverse tab connected a canvass report, it's group expressing views astir nan candidates, arsenic good arsenic nan larger guidance of society, frankly.
And past nan different portion of this is, erstwhile they do measure nan candidates, you spot immoderate differences. For example, you spot much men saying they judge Donald Trump would beryllium a beardown leader, though erstwhile you inquire them they opportunity it's not needfully because he's a man. But astatine nan aforesaid time, look astatine this measurement we've been pursuing each passim this campaign, which is, who has nan intelligence and cognitive wellness to service arsenic president. Folks will callback we were search that erstwhile Joe Biden was nan nominee, and his numbers dropping connected that was important. OK, now Harris has nan advantage connected that. And peculiarly among women who are overmuch much apt to opportunity that only she has nan intelligence and cognitive health. So, it besides affects nan views of nan candidates arsenic well, these splits betwixt men and women.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is benignant of a singular mobility to statesman pinch successful and of itself. But you person been talking about, for a very agelong time, nan - nan immense facet of nan system arsenic a cognition of nan system is for Donald Trump supporters. The Democrats are putting reproductive healthcare beforehand and center. Is that stake moving for them?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Well, it motivates nan Democratic base. And that's important because we whitethorn person a very turnout-determining predetermination here, right? But astatine nan aforesaid time, I do announcement that nan number of group who opportunity abortion is simply a awesome facet successful their ballot has been reasonably dependable passim this campaign, hasn't really gone supra nan debased 50 percent. And 1 mightiness deliberation that if nan Democrats were getting much traction connected that, that those numbers would spell higher. And, frankly, they haven't.
At nan aforesaid clip connected nan economy, you know, Kamala Harris had been trying to abstracted herself from Joe Biden a small bit. And we do spot successful nan polling much group commencement to opportunity they're evaluating her connected her proposals. She's trim a small spot into Donald Trump's advantage connected what really is simply a cardinal question, are you amended disconnected aliases would you beryllium amended disconnected financially nether which of these candidates. Trump still has nan separator connected that, though. She hasn't trim rather acold capable successful it. And truthful he maintains that separator for group who opportunity that nan system is their apical issue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Rhetoric has been highly heated passim this campaign, but some of them are now arguing nan different is nan threat to populist itself. How are voters reacting?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: So, a mates of things. One is, you spot each broadside does deliberation nan different 1 is simply a threat and each broadside does deliberation that populist is nether threat, albeit for different reasons, number one. Number 2 though, you do spot Donald Trump has often gotten a proportionality of voters who consciousness that nan full strategy is broken. And I deliberation that's really cardinal to knowing portion of his appeal. So, that hasn't changed much.
What you do see, and you tin inquire group really they want nan authorities to activity overall. And by and ample voters opportunity they'd for illustration nan 2 parties to discuss and cooperate. There are immoderate hardcore partisans who'd conscionable for illustration their statement to tally everything. But location is ever a component, and location is here, of group who opportunity that they want 1 beardown leader to trim done each of this. It happens to beryllium a small much among younger voters, a small much among young men. And we do spot much of Donald Trump supporters saying that comparative to Kamala Harris supporters.
This, for a larger context, does hap sometimes successful democracies, if you person a diminution of spot successful institutions, which we person besides seen. It's not nan majority, but that position is retired there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that allows itself to person much manipulation of cognition and what voters are thinking. It's a - it's a vulnerable point you conscionable put your digit on. And that's why I want to, Anthony, group immoderate expectations present connected clarity. People retrieve days when, connected predetermination night, it was clear who nan victor was. In very tight races, it's not going to beryllium clear and it whitethorn return immoderate time. U.S. intelligence is informing location are bad actors looking to manipulate really agelong it whitethorn return and to manipulate your mind.
What expectations should we person for nan ballot count?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: The first connection is patience. You're correct that it will return a while for each our expectations. A batch of these battleground states, it's not conscionable that they're close, it's that they've sewage millions of votes to count. And particularly immoderate of nan larger counties whitethorn return them precocious into nan night. It whitethorn very good spell different day, different mates of days earlier each those get counted. We whitethorn request to spot each of those votes earlier we tin find who's won. So, patience is nan watch connection here.
But nan different point is, we are astatine CBS News going to show you really this unfolds each along. I americium going to show you from nan information table wherever nan outstanding ballot is, what's been reported, what nan implications of each of it are successful existent clip truthful that you tin watch it unfold, on pinch us. And I deliberation that will beryllium important. You don't want to conscionable spot a fewer votes get reported and deliberation that's nan measurement it's each going to go. You really person to person that patience.
I would adhd this, astir Americans whitethorn very good formed their ballots earlier Election Day, right? We've sewage message vote. We've sewage early successful person. That will beryllium complete nan adjacent week, Margaret, benignant of nan absurd creation coating of nan governmental world. People are going to spot immoderate they want to spot successful that. We don't ever cognize precisely really those group voted. They'll look astatine really galore older people, younger group person voted, really galore registered Democrats, registered Republicans. But since 2020 location person been shifts successful nan people's decisions astir really to formed their ballots.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: And we don't cognize really that will play retired yet. So, I impulse patience location arsenic good complete nan adjacent week. And we'll person those expectations astir what nan early ballot intends erstwhile we get person to Election Day.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we're going to speak connected this programme pinch nan secretaries of authorities to understand really they are administering those elections and really quickly each authorities - each one's different - will cognize nan results.
Anthony, convey you.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We'll beryllium correct back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Turn now to nan apical predetermination officials successful 2 battleground states, Arizona Secretary of State Adrian Fontes joins america from Phoenix, and caput of nan Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Al Schmidt joins america from Harrisburg.
Welcome. And I admit nan 2 of you having this speech successful a bipartisan manner.
You are successful non-partisan roles arsenic nan apical predetermination officials successful your states. So, very speedy mobility to some of you, Secretary Fontes first, will you perpetrate to certifying nan predetermination results moreover if nan victor is of nan other governmental party?
ADRIAN FONTES (Secretary Of State, Arizona): Yes. Without question. That's our duty. And I judge each of my colleagues crossed nan state would do nan same.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt.
AL SCHMIDT (Secretary of The Commonwealth, Pennsylvania): Absolutely. Without immoderate hesitation whatsoever.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now that we've group nan array connected nan very basics here, I want to inquire you astir immoderate of nan caller news. The FBI head said this past week it is incomprehensible and unacceptable that predetermination workers person to beryllium worried astir their security. But present we are. And we cognize that nan Department of Justice, conscionable this past week, did indict individuals for making threats to workers successful some of your states.
Secretary Fontes, 1 of my CBS colleagues is reporting Maricopa County is importantly expanding information and utilizing drones, utilizing fencing and different measures. I've publication news organizations opportunity location are going to beryllium snipers connected apical of tabulation centers.
First of all, is that true? That seems extraordinary. And is that based connected circumstantial threat intelligence?
ADRIAN FONTES: Well, first and foremost, nan authority and jurisdiction complete nan circumstantial tabulation centers are wrong nan counties. My agency provides support for each of them. And, frankly, we don't get into nan specifics erstwhile it comes to our information and information protocols, peculiarly nan root aliases wave aliases quality of immoderate of nan circumstantial threats. We are successful nan benignant of a condition correct now wherever we're taking immoderate precautions are basal to ensure, not conscionable nan information of nan vote, but of each of our employees, our workers astatine nan polls, astatine our tabulation centers and, of course, keeping first and foremost successful mind nan information and information of our voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Can you say, astatine a minimum, whether that's accrued from what you had to do successful 2020?
ADRIAN FONTES: It's perfectly wholly different from 2020. In fact, I retrieve successful 2018 our top information threat was a rattlesnake successful nan parking batch astatine nan Pinnacle Peak precinct. So, this is simply a radically different group of circumstances that we are dealing with. But we are prepared and we're going to person a unafraid election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt, what person you had to do successful nan commonwealth?
AL SCHMIDT: As portion of nan lessons learned from nan acquisition of 2020, nan Shapiro management organized an predetermination threat task unit that I lead, made up of federal, authorities and section partners successful rule enforcement and predetermination management truthful that if immoderate of nan ugliness returns, that we knowledgeable successful 2020, everyone will beryllium ready.
In 2020 it was, arsenic Secretary Fontes said, truthful different than before. And galore of america had to scramble to fig retired erstwhile threats were incoming, wherever do we mention them to and - and each nan remainder of that. Now we person unfastened lines of communication. Everybody is very clear astir what everyone else's responsibilities are. So, we'll beryllium prepared should, again, immoderate of that ugliness return.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt, you heard maine talk pinch Senator Vance nan circumstantial intelligence that nan ODNI and nan FBI revealed connected Friday astir a clone video made by Russia to instrumentality group into believing that ballots were being destroyed successful Bucks County, Pennsylvania.
How concerned are you astir what U.S. intelligence has uncovered, and why do you deliberation they're targeting your state?
AL SCHMIDT: Well, I'm - I'm very concerned. And it's - and it's clear that bad religion overseas actors are seeking to undermine assurance successful our predetermination results. And it's nary astonishment that they've targeted respective of nan alleged battleground states successful Pennsylvania.
The video that you're referring to from Bucks County, to anyone who has years of acquisition successful predetermination administration, was conspicuously fake. But if you don't, it's - it's truthful easy for group to beryllium benignant of deceived by others trying to undermine assurance successful our strategy of government. So, it's important that our counties stay vigilant, that our commonwealth remains vigilant and our national partners stay vigilant, and to telephone retired immoderate of these benignant of efforts to deceive our voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Fontes, different circumstantial informing from U.S. intelligence was immoderate of nan mind hacking, nan lies being sewn successful nan minds of imaginable voters. And 1 circumstantial point that U.S. intelligence says Russian power actors are doing are posting allegations astir nan anticipation of illegals, undocumented people, voting successful this country. You are a separator state. We person heard a number of Republican officials, including connected this program, effort to reason that this is simply a existent concern. Elon Musk is arguing that and amplifying that.
What are you doing successful Arizona to make judge that non-citizens are not voting successful national elections, which is already against nan law?
ADRIAN FONTES: Well, first and foremost, if and erstwhile thing for illustration that happens, it is perfectly vanishingly rare. No strategy is perfect. And I'll admit that correct disconnected nan top.
But nan allegation that this is thing that mightiness move an predetermination aliases is thing overmuch bigger than it is, that's nan delirium that we are dealing with. And, unfortunately, we still person candidates, elected officials and folks pinch ample megaphones lying. They're straight lying to nan American nationalist and they are fundamentally playing nan domiciled of useful idiots now we cognize for judge to overseas enemies who want to sow distrust successful our democracy. They want america to beryllium losing that civic religion that we person successful 1 different arsenic Americans and dividing america further.
Again, nan root for a batch of this accusation and misinformation, I should say, is coming from extracurricular of nan United States. It gets amplified by folks successful America who are helping those folks. And that's conscionable bad. And it's bad for our democracy. It's bad for business. It's bad for nan rule and acquisition and subject and everything else.
So, what I promote folks to do is extremity being a Russian puppet, look to nan folks who are really doing nan work, inquire them what's really happening, and spell pinch nan truth alternatively of amplifying lies from overseas adversaries.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt, what are you doing to make judge that non-citizens are not capable to vote, which is already against nan law?
AL SCHMIDT: Well, Margaret, I was a Republican predetermination commissioner successful Philadelphia County for 10 years. And I guarantee you, and I guarantee your viewers, and I guarantee voters that I attraction arsenic overmuch astir predetermination integrity arsenic anyone perchance could. I investigated hundreds of allegations of elector fraud complete that time. Whether it progressive double voting aliases allegations of group voting for dormant people, aliases non-citizens. And what that investigation showed clip and clip again was really incredibly uncommon it was that it occurred, and really easy it is to drawback whenever location are incidents of it. There are safeguards successful nan strategy from bony to tail to make judge that - that elector fraud successful nan fewer instances it does hap is identified, investigated, and responsibly prosecuted.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt, connected Friday nan Lancaster County territory lawyer did study incidents of elector registration fraud among a group of astir 2,500 ballots. What tin you show america astatine this constituent astir really galore of those ballots were really fraudulent, and what happens next? Who's down it?
AL SCHMIDT: The region reached retired to america correct distant arsenic soon arsenic they became alert of it for guidance. As acold arsenic we tin see, nan region is - is pursuing this investigation responsibly. The region hasn't concluded that investigation truthful I can't speak to nan number of cases yet. We will beryllium relying connected them to make that determination and beryllium supportive of our region partners.
As portion of our commitment, I visited 67 of Pennsylvania's 67 counties, to beryllium down pinch them and make judge that if location are further resources they need, further instrumentality aliases thing other for illustration that, we supply that to them truthful that we person a free, fair, safe and unafraid predetermination successful 2024, conscionable arsenic we had successful 2020.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And it was notable successful my question and reply pinch Senator Vance that he said he was assured successful Pennsylvania. But erstwhile I asked astir litigation, he raised nan anticipation of non-citizen voting and said they would beryllium unfastened to litigation if that were to happen.
AL SCHMIDT: Well, nan bully point astir our judicial system, which is really wherever our disputes should beryllium settled, is it is ever thing of a put up aliases unopen up infinitesimal erstwhile it comes to providing existent grounds of existent problems. And that erstwhile group are progressive successful litigation and lawsuits, they person to coming that evidence. And I deliberation that's why clip and clip again, successful galore dozens of cases successful 2020, each 1 of those cases upheld that our elections were accurate, and that we're not susceptible to immoderate benignant of wide elector fraud aliases thing for illustration that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Fontes, 95 percent of each ballots formed successful battleground states will beryllium recorded connected paper. However, President Trump said this connected Joe Rogan's podcast astir a speech he conscionable had pinch Elon Musk.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT AND 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He said to me, that unless you person insubstantial ballots, it tin ne'er beryllium an honorable election. That's a large statement.
JOE ROGAN, HOST, "THE JO ROGAN EXPERIENCE": That's a large statement.
TRUMP: We should spell to insubstantial ballots. You're done by 9:00 successful nan evening, right? Now we person these blase machine, it goes up to heaven, it goes each complete nan spot and down and astir and they say, we'll request 2 weeks to fig retired who nan hellhole won nan election.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Mr. Secretary, do you want to group nan grounds consecutive and really agelong will it return you successful Arizona to cognize nan results?
ADRIAN FONTES: Well, first, I'm gladsome that Mr. Trump agrees pinch nan information of Arizona's elections, wherever we person 100 percent insubstantial ballots and person had truthful successful Arizona for respective decades.
Number two, it's going to return america arsenic agelong arsenic it has ever taken us. While we person much voters and successful galore cases and counties a batch much voters, nan clip that it takes america to process our ballots is based connected doing it correct nan first time, not doing it quickly for news cycles aliases for nan liking of governmental satisfaction. We will person charismatic results successful astir 10 to 13 days, but everybody knows that nan - nan networks and nan newspapers will make their prognostications whenever they spot fresh based connected their math. And that's conscionable nan measurement it works. We're perfectly assured that we're going to person what we need, erstwhile we request it, which is erstwhile it happens, and it will beryllium accurate.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Schmidt, really quickly will you cognize nan results successful Pennsylvania?
AL SCHMIDT: Pennsylvania is astatine thing of a unsocial disadvantage successful that our countries cannot statesman processing mail-in ballot envelopes until 7:00 a.m. connected predetermination morning. Plenty of different states, reddish and bluish alike, let that process to statesman days, if not weeks, successful advance.
But a mates of things person changed since 2020. Counties person acquired further instrumentality that assists pinch nan processing of those ballots and ballot envelopes. They person a batch much acquisition than they had successful 2020, which is nan first clip immoderate of america encountered, successful Pennsylvania, message ballot voting successful a ample scale. And besides nan percent of voters, while it's still wide embraced, nan percent of voters voting by message has decreased since 2020 during that highest Covid environment.
So, location are respective factors that while I deliberation lend to knowing results earlier, moreover though nan rule hasn't changed, but arsenic Secretary Fontes said, it ever comes down to, and has ever always travel down to, really adjacent an predetermination is earlier you cognize who won and who lost.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Exactly. And arsenic our Anthony Salvanto, our CBS elections and surveys director, was telling us, this is simply a tight one. So, we will beryllium watching what's happening successful your states very carefully.
Thank you for level-setting pinch each of us.
We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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