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On this "Face nan Nation" broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida
- Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, Democrat of Nevada
- CBS News head of elections and surveys Anthony Salvanto
- David Becker, Samantha Vinograd and Chris Krebs
Click here to browse afloat transcripts of "Face nan Nation pinch Margaret Brennan."
MARGARET BRENNAN: I'm Margaret Brennan successful Washington.
And this week connected Face nan Nation: It's down to nan last hours of run 2024, and predetermination nighttime is shaping up to beryllium an epic cliffhanger.
Barnstorming nan battlegrounds connected Saturday, some statesmanlike candidates stumped for each past vote, pinch their arguments ranging from nan serious…
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KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of nan United States (D) and U.S. Presidential Candidate): This is not personification who is reasoning astir really to make your life better.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: And this is personification who is progressively unstable, obsessed pinch revenge, consumed pinch grievance.
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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: And nan man is retired for unchecked power.
DONALD TRUMP (Former President of nan United States (R) and Current U.S. Presidential Candidate): We sewage to put America first.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: And we will extremity forbidden migration erstwhile and for all. We will not beryllium invaded. We will not beryllium occupied. We will not beryllium overrun. We will not beryllium conquered.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … to nan silly.
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MAYA RUDOLPH (Actress): I'm going to ballot for us.
(LAUGHTER)
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Great. Any chance you are registered successful Pennsylvania?
(LAUGHTER)
MAYA RUDOLPH: Nope, I americium not.
(LAUGHTER)
VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, it was worthy a shot.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The time capped a chaotic week connected nan run way filled pinch distractions that drew America's attraction to 2 cardinal voting blocs, Latinos and women, first nan fallout from a racist joke that fell flat.
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TONY HINCHCLIFFE (Comedian): A floating land of garbage successful nan mediate of nan water correct now, yes, I deliberation it's called Puerto Rico.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Democrats jumped connected nan Trump run misstep, but erstwhile nan existent president bungled his party's connection of inclusion…
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JOE BIDEN (President of nan United States): The only garbage I spot floating retired location is his supporters.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … nan erstwhile president played up Biden's unforced correction and sharpened his plea for nan hotly contested Latino vote.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I emotion nan Hispanics. I emotion them.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: The conflict of nan sexes, astatine slightest successful nan voting booth, is besides considered important successful these last days.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm going to do it, whether nan women for illustration it aliases not. I'm going to protect them.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Harris is already moving good up erstwhile it comes to women. Will nan gender spread widen pinch Trump's sexist comments and his convulsive rhetoric, for illustration this mention of Liz Cheney?
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: She's a extremist warfare hawk. Let's put her pinch a firearm opinionated location pinch 9 barrels shooting astatine her, OK? Let's spot really she feels astir it erstwhile nan guns are trained connected her face.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will talk astir it each pinch 2 cardinal senators, Florida Republican Marco Rubio and Nevada Democrat Catherine Cortez Masto.
Plus, reality checks connected nan authorities of nan system and predetermination security.
It's each conscionable up connected Face nan Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face nan Nation.
More than 76 cardinal Americans person voted already. That's almost half of those expected to. Our CBS News polling updated overnight shows what we person known for immoderate time. The contests successful nan 7 battleground states are each fundamentally tied, arsenic they're wrong nan separator of error.
We person reporters successful each 7 states, and we will perceive from 4 of them today, starting pinch our Caitlin Huey-Burns, who is successful Greensboro, North Carolina – Caitlin.
CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS: Margaret, erstwhile President Donald Trump campaigned present successful Greensboro past nighttime and is returning to nan authorities coming and tomorrow, each a motion that this authorities is up for grabs.
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FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We can't return a chance of losing nan awesome authorities of North Carolina.
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CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS: The Tar Heel State has been reliable for Republicans. No Democrat has won it since 2008.
But of each nan states Trump won successful 2020, his triumph successful North Carolina was nan closest. And some campaigns are competing for voters connected nan aforesaid turf. In fact, Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris touched down present astatine nan aforesaid clip yesterday. Their planes virtually parked adjacent to each different connected nan tarmac.
And Democrats dream nan state's changing demographics and voters' views connected abortion entree activity successful their favor. Republicans, meanwhile, are encouraged by nan number of their voters who person already formed ballots. Early voting ended present yesterday.
NIKOLE KILLION: I'm Nikole Killion successful Georgia, wherever some candidates are making last-minute stops this weekend. The Peach State has been successful spot since President Biden flipped it successful 2020.
According to nan caput of state, complete 4 cardinal ballots person been cast. That's much than 3 successful 4 who were expected to ballot this year. Some of nan highest information totals are coming from Republican strongholds extracurricular of Atlanta, thing GOP sources show america they're encouraged by.
But apical Democrats successful this authorities judge they're besides competitive. Plus, much than a cardinal achromatic voters person formed ballots. That is simply a captious demographic, peculiarly for nan vice president, though nan erstwhile president is trying to siphon disconnected support.
This play marks nan past clip that Harris and Trump will apt beryllium successful Georgia, but their moving mates will beryllium here. And some campaigns person events planned done nan election, pinch nan extremity of capturing this state's coveted 16 electoral votes.
KRIS VAN CLEAVE: I'm Kris Van Cleave successful Scottsdale, Arizona.
Already statewide, astir half of registered voters person formed their ballot either successful personification early aliases by mail. And that comes aft a push by some parties to get group retired early, and includes almost everyone astatine this Vance rally successful Scottsdale, connected nan ballot, a intimately watched Senate title and abortion.
Voters leaning towards Trump show america migration and ostentation are cardinal issues. Voters leaning Harris spot different solutions for nan separator and are focused connected women's authorities and protecting democracy. One spot wherever some sides work together is concerns complete elector fatigue owed to a longer-than-usual ballot that could lead to delays for those voting connected Tuesday.
Local leaders opportunity information will beryllium tight.
WEIJIA JIANG: I'm Weijia Jiang successful Philadelphia, wherever nan Harris run says volunteers person knocked connected astir 1 cardinal doors successful Pennsylvania successful nan past 24 hours alone.
Her squad believes that an fierce crushed crippled will thrust up Democratic turnout among her base, while nan Trump run has besides worked to grow support from voters of color, particularly achromatic and Latino men.
Another apical statement present successful Pennsylvania, nan conflict of nan sexes. A Trump run elder advisor says they are banking connected a large boost from men and going aft those who usually don't vote, particularly successful agrarian areas.
But nan Harris squad is assured that women, including mean Republicans, will seal nan woody for a victory. One group of Harris supporters we said pinch made up of women who place arsenic lifelong Republicans opportunity they person talked to thousands of alleged silent Harris voters successful nan suburbs who scheme to ballot for nan vice president, moreover though they won't admit it, moreover to their husbands.
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WOMAN: We person had a batch of women definitive a genuine discomfort aliases almost a fearfulness of telling different group successful their lives that they're going to ballot for Kamala Harris.
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WEIJIA JIANG: But a elder Trump run charismatic tells america they do not judge location are capable of those voters to make a existent difference.
Both nominees scheme to clasp aggregate events successful Pennsylvania earlier Election Day. In fact, Harris will walk each tomorrow storming nan state, pinch respective stops ending correct present successful Philly for her expansive finale run rally – Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That's Weijia Jiang successful Philadelphia.
We spell now to Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio.
Good greeting to you, Senator.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO (R-Florida): Good morning, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: In caller days, nan Harris run has said they person seen favorable activity towards them pinch Latinos and pinch undecided voters, peculiarly pursuing that New York rally we referenced there, pinch nan reproach comment, making remarks astir Puerto Rico.
You've been focused connected outreach to Hispanic voters for nan Trump campaign. Are you concerned that this unforced correction wounded outreach?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Well, location was nary unforced error. I mean, a comedian made a joke, and it was tasteless, but it wasn't Trump that said it.
It wasn't – this feline is not going to beryllium successful his Cabinet. I mean, this comedian is not going to beryllium a personnel of his government. He's surely not moving for anything. It was a comedian who tells tasteless jokes each nan time. I promote everyone to, well, I conjecture watch segments of nan Tom Brady roast, and you'll spot nan benignant of jokes he tells. He's an reproach comic.
Look, there's nary caller outreach to…
MARGARET BRENNAN: At a Trump rally.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Yes. I mean, I don't know.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Hired by nan campaign.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: He said 2 hours earlier Trump.
Well, again, I deliberation what's much relevant, if you want to opportunity – so, it had to beryllium done successful hindsight, nan feline astir apt doesn't get invited, OK, particularly pinch a joke for illustration that.
But I deliberation much applicable is nan truth that nan sitting president of nan United States said retired large what astir group successful nan Democratic Party and level believe, and that is that anyone who votes for Donald Trump is garbage, is simply a racist, is simply a hater, is simply a Nazi, arsenic – arsenic nan vice president campaigner of theirs has accused anyone who attended nan Madison Square Garden rally.
MSNBC was moving images of Nazi rallies from Germany broadside by broadside pinch images from Madison Square Garden a week ago. So, location – you asked me, why are they truthful confident?
If you're truthful assured astir victory, nan measurement that nan Harris group opportunity they are, past why would you beryllium retired location attacking not Donald Trump, attacking anyone who is reasoning astir voting for him by labeling them as, if you ballot for Donald Trump, you're this evil, horrible quality being?
That doesn't look to beryllium for illustration nan actions of a assured campaign. It seems to maine for illustration nan actions of a frightened one.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I was speaking specifically astir that – that outreach that you've been doing to Hispanic voters. It sounds for illustration you deliberation this is negligible.
But fto maine inquire you astir women voters, because we're seeing successful our information that nan Trump run whitethorn person an rumor there.
Here's what erstwhile Trump management U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley said this past week astir that Madison Square Garden rally.
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FORMER GOVERNOR NIKKI HALEY (R-South Carolina): This bromance and this masculinity stuff, I mean, it borders connected edgy, to nan constituent that it's going to make women uncomfortable. You person sewage affiliated PACs that are doing commercials astir calling Kamala nan C-word. Or you had speakers astatine Madison Square Garden referring to her and her pimps.
That is not nan measurement to triumph women.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you stock nan erstwhile governor's concerns that this is simply a vulnerability?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Well, first of all, I want to constituent out, and nary 1 talks astir this, Kamala Harris has a bigger problem among men than Donald Trump does among women.
Are location women that are going to ballot for Kamala Harris? Of course. Are location women that don't for illustration Donald Trump? Of course. Are location women that are going to support Donald Trump? Yes, location are, a batch of them.
And I deliberation you'll spot that carnivore retired connected Election Day. Ultimately, nan bottommost statement is that what this predetermination is going to beryllium about, erstwhile group spell vote, they're not – they're going to beryllium voting connected 3 things that are captious to them. How overmuch does it costs to unrecorded successful this country, and tin you spend nan things that group activity difficult to beryllium capable to afford? Because complete nan past 4 years, they person not.
Do you consciousness safe and secure? And nan reply is, no, group do not look – consciousness safe and secure, erstwhile you person vulnerable criminal elements entering this state crossed nan unfastened separator that Kamala Harris allowed. And number 3 is, really adjacent is this state to being dragged into immoderate benignant of world conflict?
We now person troops from North Korea broadside by broadside pinch Russians connected nan crushed successful Ukraine. We're edging person each azygous period to immoderate broader world conflict that could impact nan United States. And conjecture who's going to person to spell conflict successful those wars? The sons and nan daughters and nan children of nan group who are going to determine this election, and that includes complete half nan country, which is women voters.
That's what's going to beryllium connected people's mind, and that's what should beryllium connected their mind, because that's what's astatine liking successful this election.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, successful position of information and security, that sound wound a infinitesimal agone from Donald Trump talking astir training guns connected nan look of Liz Cheney, nan Trump campaign…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: That's not what he said.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … says that was astir overseas policy.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It was…;
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we conscionable played it for our viewers and listeners who heard it.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Isn't it imaginable to make nan lawsuit without utilizing rhetoric for illustration that?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: But Donald Trump doesn't talk for illustration personification who's been successful Washington for 30 years.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Training guns connected her face?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: He doesn't opportunity it nan measurement I would person said it. No, but that's not what he said, Margaret. You guys cognize that. Come on.
I mean, everybody knows precisely what he was saying. What he was saying is…
MARGARET BRENNAN: We played nan sound bite.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … you're truthful overmuch successful favour of war.
Yes, you – no, you played a portion of nan sound bite, because, successful different portion of it, he said he would springiness her a weapon to spell guidelines successful conflict arsenic well. You don't usually springiness a weapon to personification that is going to beryllium facing a firing squad, which is what overmuch of nan media made it sound like.
The constituent he was making is not a caller point. It is simply a constituent that has been made by group successful some parties for decades. And that is, you're each for war, and it's easy to beryllium for warfare erstwhile you're successful immoderate fancy building and you're safe and sound successful Washington, D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Let's spot really overmuch you are for warfare erstwhile you yourself get deployed into combat. That's nan constituent that he was making.
That he uses connection that possibly is not what we typically perceive from personification that useful astatine a deliberation tank…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … well, fine.
But I deliberation it's truly, not conscionable unfair, it's egregious to spot that reported nan measurement that it was, on pinch different things that are retired there. I person ne'er seen specified a concerted effort.
And, look, I person ever believed there's bias, because nary one's unbiased, but I person ne'er seen specified a concerted effort for illustration what I person seen, particularly successful nan past 2 weeks, among aggregate media outlets successful this state to, successful immoderate cases, breathlessly distort and dishonesty astir what's being said and to create and manufacture these gotcha moments against Donald Trump.
I person ne'er seen it before.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: It's complete nan top.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, you are nan ranking personnel connected nan Senate Intelligence Committee. You besides cognize that erstwhile commandant successful main is not conscionable immoderate feline disconnected nan street, and words matter.
U.S. intelligence has specifically warned…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: They do matter. They do matter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … specifically warned astir nan consequence of governmental unit successful this country, immoderate of it stoked by overseas adversaries, Iran trying to do that, Russia trying to do that, successful nan days aft nan election.
Are you assured successful nan information and nan integrity of nan election?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Well, I'm assured successful nan information and integrity of nan elections, and particularly because we person beardown systems crossed this country.
It's dispersed crossed 50 states. That doesn't mean location aren't going to beryllium problems. We saw problems earlier successful nan week successful Pennsylvania, and they were resolved by a court, wherever group were not allowed – being allowed successful 1 region from accessing their on-demand message ballot astatine nan spot. There are going to beryllium issues for illustration that.
They're being confronted astatine nan beforehand end, and those things are being looked at. Look, successful nan authorities of Michigan, we cognize now – and this is not maine making it up. I can't judge it hasn't received much coverage. A Chinese nationalist registered to ballot and voted. And now he's being charged for doing that. But conjecture what? His ballot is going to count.
We cognize astatine slightest 1 noncitizen's ballot is going to count successful Michigan because they don't cognize which ballot it is and they can't retrieve it. These are facts. Now, whether that's wide aliases not, I dream not, but these are things that are happening, and they request to beryllium watched at.
As acold arsenic overseas adversaries, sure. I mean, Iran wants to termination Donald Trump. Iran – this has been afloat documented. They are trying to termination Donald Trump. You talk astir convulsive rhetoric. He's nan only campaigner successful this race, and not because I wish this connected anybody else, who's had not one, but 2 assassination attempts against his life.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. So…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: So, of people we're each concerned astir it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
In position of nan lawsuit you talked astir successful Michigan, we person tracked that. The caput of authorities of that authorities has really brought charges, has made that public. That individual whitethorn really beryllium deported…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Yes. But that vote's still going to count.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … whitethorn really beryllium deported because location are laws successful this state that punish people…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: They are. But nan ballot still counts.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … erstwhile they are illegal, and they effort to ballot successful national elections. That 19-year-old is going to look immoderate consequences.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Correct. But nan ballot still counts.
He is. And he's going to – but his ballot still counts. His ballot will still beryllium counted.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. I'm conscionable trying to make clear that location are systems…
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: But that's a large deal. I deliberation that's a large deal.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … arsenic you pointed to, arsenic nan courts are besides playing a domiciled here.
I request to inquire you astir China, though. This monolithic and pervasive hacking by China of U.S. telecom companies is significant. Your workfellow Mark Warner said it's nan astir important breach he has ever seen successful his full clip connected nan committee.
Do you cognize if China has been capable to entree nan audio of Americans' telephone calls?
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: Well, I'm not going to remark connected what they access, but I work together pinch Mark Warner's statement.
It is an egregious, outrageous and vulnerable breach of our telecommunications systems crossed aggregate companies. I will time off it astatine that. I think, arsenic clip goes on, we're going to study much astir it. Some of it will beryllium made public. I deliberation there's much that's still being gathered.
It's a very superior business that we look and I deliberation 1 that is rather threatening, possibly not straight to nan election…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: … per se, but surely to nan nationalist information of our state moving forward. It's a vulnerability that nary 1 imagined aliases anticipated.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR MARCO RUBIO: But present it is.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
Senator Rubio, convey you for your clip today.
We'll beryllium backmost successful a minute.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We're joined by Nevada Democratic Senator Catherine Cortez Masto, who joins america from Las Vegas.
Good greeting to you, Senator.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO (D-Nevada): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We're going to beryllium search your authorities very intimately and each six of its electoral votes.
In this early vote, we've seen half of Nevada's progressive registered voters person formed ballots, and there's immoderate worry among Democrats because Republicans presently person a lead statewide. Are you assured nan remaining ballots will adjacent that spread and present nan authorities to Harris?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Well, Margaret, I tin show you a mates of things.
One, I americium optimistic that we are going to win, not only for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, but for Jacky Rosen, successful this state. I americium perfectly assured successful our crushed game, successful our canvassing and knocking connected doors and talking to our voters, because that's virtually what matters here, is making judge that our voters, who are paying attraction now successful a plaything authorities for illustration Nevada, that personification is talking to them, because there's truthful overmuch accusation retired there.
And now is nan clip for america to link pinch our voters and talk to them astir nan issues that they attraction about. So, yes, I americium very, very confident.
And nan only different thing, fto maine opportunity this, Margaret, is, you know, I was reelected conscionable recently, and location was a Republican advantage successful my race, successful my midterm, and I won. Not only did I win. Our legislature delegation won. And truthful we besides won our – our authorities seats successful our authorities House.
So what we cognize successful Nevada, it is really astir that organization. It's knocking connected those doors. It's phone-banking. It's talking to our voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: We besides person a ample organization of our voters who are nonpartisan. Over a 3rd are nonpartisan. And those are nan independents successful different states, and they thin Democratic. They leaned my way.
And truthful I americium very, very assured that, arsenic we are moving our crushed game, we're going to shape our measurement to triumph here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You – you mentioned your triumph successful 2022. That was conscionable by 8,000 votes. So this – this could beryllium a tight 1 arsenic good this clip around.
The Trump run talks astir making inroads pinch nan working-class population, successful particular, connected nan rumor of nan economy. Your authorities has nan 2nd highest unemployment complaint successful nan country. The mostly of voters do not person a assemblage degree.
Why shouldn't nan Trump run beryllium assured that they are making inroads pinch this cardinal demographic?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Well, a mates of things, Margaret. You talked astir my – my tight race. They're ever tight successful Nevada. It's a plaything state. They're ever close. It's ever wrong nan margin.
And that's why it is important you get retired and talk to voters and you don't return anyone for granted. And you're right. A ample portion of our population, our work industry, those are precocious school-educated individuals. That's my family. They worked successful this industry.
And these are nan individuals we want to talk to. But we besides person been engaging them connected nan issues that matter to them. And if you look astatine our beardown organized labor, which is nan culinary, which is made up astir of nan work industry, on pinch our building trades, they're knocking connected those doors successful favour of nan Democrats, Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
So location is this outright concerted effort by everyone to make judge our voters understand who is – what's astatine liking here. And there's a stark difference. I mean, you know, fto maine conscionable say…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: … because this is important for voters to cognize this, that Kamala Harris has already talked about, she wants to correspond everyone. She wants to assistance everybody up.
No matter who voted for her, she's going to correspond them. She's going to commencement time 1 pinch a to-do database to really she useful connected nan issues that she knows that galore voters are challenged with. Donald Trump is going to locomotion successful nan Oval Office pinch an enemies list. There's a quality betwixt nan two.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: And erstwhile you talk to voters astir it who are expecting that successful Nevada, successful a plaything state, that makes nan quality successful whether aliases not we are going to win. And we are going to win.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But does your statement – we played what nan existent president, Joe Biden, said astir Trump supporters, and immoderate person compared that, Republicans person compared that to what Hillary Clinton said astir a handbasket of deplorables.
Does your statement person a disdain problem successful talking down to moving people voters successful particular?
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Well, I tin show you present successful Nevada successful wide – first of all, let's conscionable say, but – we cognize this, that President Biden clarified his statement, and Kamala Harris has made it very clear she wants to correspond everyone, nary matter…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, he quibbled astir an apostrophe successful nan transcript.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: But – but Kamala Harris made it very clear moving guardant that she wants to correspond everyone, right, nary matter whether you voted for her aliases not.
And whoever you ballot for, you shouldn't beryllium criticized for that. And she's made that very clear.
What – what I perceive from voters successful Nevada – and this is wherever nan – wherever it's relevant, not nan rotation rooms, not nan polls, not what you're proceeding connected nan nationalist news, but what are voters saying, and what do they attraction about? And they're listening.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: And I tin show you, my voters successful Nevada that I talk to, which is really a ample organization of not only our blue- collar, but number Latinos, a – excuse me, Asian American Pacific Islanders, a vibrant Black community, Native Americans – they are listening to, what are nan issues?
Who's bringing nan solutions, right? Who has nan solutions to reside nan affordable lodging issue? That's Kamala Harris.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CATHERINE CORTEZ MASTO: Who has nan issues to reside really we little wellness attraction costs and support them debased for each Americans? Kamala Harris. Who has nan thought astir really we protect nan Affordable Care Act and not repeal it? That's Kamala Harris.
So those conversations matter to my voters successful Nevada, and that's what's applicable astatine nan extremity of nan time and really we're going to make this happen.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And your authorities besides will beryllium cardinal to watch. You do person abortion connected nan ballot.
Even though it's already ineligible successful your state, location is talk astir enshrining it successful nan Constitution, based connected what happens Tuesday. We'll beryllium pursuing that and what happens pinch your party.
Senator, we person to time off it location for time. Thank you.
We'll beryllium backmost pinch a batch much Face nan Nation, truthful enactment pinch us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome backmost to FACE THE NATION, and our sheet of predetermination rule and information experts.
David Becker is nan executive head of nan Center for Election, Innovation and Research. Chris Krebs is nan erstwhile caput of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency nether nan Trump administration. And Samantha Vinograd was astir precocious a counterterrorism charismatic astatine nan Department of Homeland Security nether nan Biden administration.
Good greeting to you all.
Setting nan array for a consequential week.
Chris, I want to commencement pinch you.
We're successful that 48-hour model that Microsoft warned was going to beryllium rife pinch attempts to hack people's minds. We've seen astatine slightest 4 clone videos nan FBI and U.S. intelligence person warned are meant to manipulate. Yesterday, nan FBI said location were 2 retired location that are fake. Before that we had disclosed that Russia was down a Bucks County, Pennsylvania, clone video and 1 targeting voters successful Georgia, falsely claiming that Haitian migrants were - were voting.
How do these strategies that Russia is utilizing now comparison to what you saw successful 2020 and backmost successful 2016?
CHRIS KREBS: Well, they've evolved their techniques from generating and launching contented from, for instance, St. Petersburg. That's what we saw successful 2016. You had nan net investigation agency operating retired of an agency building, almost like, you know, a normal business.
Over time, though, fixed nan improvements successful nan intelligence community, cyber command, and our ain consciousness of nan activities and what they're doing, they've started to push nan boundaries out. And truthful they're really generating contented and past they're laundering it efficaciously done different platforms, for illustration Telegram and moreover now what we're seeing is simply a important magnitude of laundering done X.
And past U.S. citizens prime up this accusation and prime up these videos, and past they beforehand it connected their ain accounts and connected their ain societal media platforms, for illustration Facebook. So, they are moving it out. They're avoiding nan techniques that U.S. rule enforcement intelligence has deployed and developed. And truthful they're not arsenic bully though. So, a batch of these videos that we're seeing, they're really rather amateurish. That's not to opportunity they can't person amended contented coming forward, but really they're conscionable benignant of flooding nan area and trying to distract.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And confuse and sow - and sow distrust of our institutions.
Sam, U.S. intelligence has been briefing and disclosing. That's portion of what they're doing to effort to counteract this.
We besides saw early connected warnings astir Iran and what they are doing. The appraisal Iran favors Harris, Russia favors Trump.
What shape of power are we seeing?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, Iran has 2 main goals successful this predetermination cycle. First, to denigrate President Trump. They person expressed coming - excuse me, a penchant for Vice president Harris based upon Trump's grounds successful agency and their cognition of what Mr. Trump would do if elected. That's nonsubjective one.
Objective 2 is to sow discord. And they position undermining cognition astir thein integrity of our predetermination arsenic an effective tool. So, they are utilizing power operations to denigrate Mr. Trump and to sow discord utilizing AI- generated contented really focused successful peculiar on, for example, allegations of elector fraud. We should expect Iran to proceed progressively blase power operations related to perceptions of a deficiency of predetermination integrity. That will past good aft polls close, Margaret. This is nan astir attenuated predetermination information related threat situation we person apt seen successful history.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because it's not astir conscionable changing votes. It's astir not trusting our democracy.
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, 76 cardinal Americans already voted. So, tin we opportunity those numbers show nan adversaries are failing, aliases are nan predetermination workers you're speaking pinch really concerned astir what's to come?
DAVID BECKER: Well, it's - it has accrued our expertise to beryllium resilient against nan disinformation. The much group who ballot early, they're efficaciously inoculated themselves against disinformation that mightiness beryllium inclined to beryllium intended to thief them self-suppress their ballot aliases confuse them astir really to vote. So, nan truth that we've had complete 76 cardinal ballot already, and that's going to summation by respective cardinal much erstwhile each nan message ballots are in, erstwhile there's moreover early voting going connected today, still successful astir 27 states and D.C. So, that's very good. That intends nan number of group that still request to ballot connected Election Day, erstwhile disinformation mightiness beryllium very focused connected them, trying to get them confused pinch very small clip for them to beryllium resilient against that disinformation, that's going to impact less voters. That's a very bully thing. And I deliberation we're seeing, particularly successful states for illustration Georgia and North Carolina, good complete 4 cardinal votes successful each of those states has been cast. Millions of votes successful galore different - of nan plaything states. And truthful far, very fewer problems contempt efforts to create problems possibly from our adversaries overseas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you would constituent group to nan secretaries of authorities themselves, their websites, for reliable information?
DAVID BECKER: Yes. Whenever you request information, spell to your authorities predetermination website. That's usually nan caput of state's website. Sometimes, successful North Carolina, Wisconsin, there's an predetermination committee aliases an predetermination board. Go to your section predetermination website if you cognize your state aliases locality wherever elections are taking place. And if you request help, spell to vote.gov. That will navigate you location eventually. Go - conscionable trust upon those sources solely for information.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Chris, erstwhile you were successful government, we did see, backmost successful 2018, disclosure by nan wide astatine nan caput of past Cyber Command and nan National Security Agency opportunity that - that nan authorities astatine that clip group up a mini group to fundamentally sound Russia offline, to physically extremity them from immoderate of these power operations.
Can nan U.S. undertake violative operations for illustration that now?
CHRIS KREBS: Absolutely. I do deliberation though that nan infrastructure that nan adversaries aliases nan Russians and nan Iran person put into spot whitethorn not beryllium wherever it erstwhile was. It has moved. Keep successful mind that earlier this twelvemonth nan Department of Justice took offline a disinformation group that we way arsenic Doppelganger, they took their various websites offline. And they did it successful a measurement that was timed truthful that they could not rebuild those websites and reestablish nan engagement pinch those websites successful clip for nan election. So, location person been steps taken to guarantee that nan bad guys can't execute their strategies.
And successful nan meantime, you person organizations, for illustration SISA, that are doing much pinch much jurisdictions connected predetermination information than astatine immoderate different constituent previously. So, they person a batch of assurance astir nan resilience of nan system.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But what you said astir utilizing Americans to dispersed disinformation.
CHRIS KREBS: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: People are becoming unwitting agents of a overseas adversary fundamentally by re-tweeting aliases reposting immoderate of these clone videos.
CHRIS KREBS: We person seen that, right? So, location was different Department of Justice announcement that a media outlet, based retired of Tennessee, was receiving backing from nan Russians, from RT, a cutout (ph) -
MARGARET BRENNAN: Tenet Group.
CHRIS KREBS: Tenet Group.
Now, to David's earlier point, that is why it is truthful critically important that American voters, erstwhile they're looking for accusation astir nan election, they spell to their applicable section aliases authorities official. They cognize what's going on. Go - if you're successful Georgia, Brad Raffensperger and Gabe Sterling are astir apt moving nan tightest vessel erstwhile it comes to elections successful nan state correct now. They're incredibly effective. They're retired there. They're putting accusation successful nan hands of nan American group truthful they understand what's happening.
And truthful erstwhile Russian operations for illustration nan Haitian voters pops up, they were connected it instantly and they knocked it down. That is hugely effective successful maintaining spot of nan process.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sam, we person seen concerns astir beingness security, though, arsenic good astatine voting locations. The Democratic politician of Washington authorities has activated nan National Guard, put them connected stand-by, citing wide and circumstantial accusation and concerns astir unit and unrest. You did person that driblet container successful Vancouver that damaged hundreds of ballots. There was an incendiary instrumentality there. Are location circumstantial land nan national authorities knows of astatine this time?
SAMANTHA VINOGRAD: Well, it is simply a mostly heightened threat environment, some successful position of complexity and nan magnitude of clip that coercion related threats, criminal threats and power operations by federation states will past related to nan election. It is conscionable prudent planning, Margaret, successful this threat situation for officials astatine each levels of government, federal, authorities and local, to prosecute successful elaborate operational planning. State and section officials are successful nan lead for nan information successful their jurisdictions.
Now, successful my experience, peculiarly station January 6th, those operational plans must see a afloat consciousness of each disposable rule enforcement resources. National Guard is nan past resort. You person section resources, authorities resources and then, arsenic necessary, National Guard, arsenic good arsenic a clear consciousness of who to telephone erstwhile truthful that location aren't connection failures.
Federal officials person invested a batch of money and clip successful doing exercises, hundreds them pinch authorities and section officials, sharing intelligence and information, and trying to stock champion practices. But astatine nan extremity of nan day, nan authorities and section officials are successful nan lead and should person clear operational plans for a scope of scenarios that whitethorn arise, successful peculiar ample standard information incidents that whitethorn originate pinch small aliases nary warning. We learned lessons from January 6th. And from my conversations pinch erstwhile colleagues, that operational readying has been underway for years, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, I want to quickly get you to respond to what Senator Rubio was raising during our interview. He was talking astir nan charges brought by nan caput - aliases I mentioned nan charged brought by nan caput of authorities against nan individual he highlighted had formed a ballot contempt not being a citizen.
DAVID BECKER: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How is it that personification who's not a national could registry and formed a ballot? How did that moreover happen?
DAVID BECKER: Well, we person respective protections successful spot to make judge it's very, very improbable this is going to happen. We've seen places for illustration Ohio, which has documented only six cases of non-citizen voting complete a decade, making love backmost to 2014. We person places for illustration Georgia, that has documented 9 cases of non-citizen voting since 2008. So, it does happen, but it's highly rare. And I'm judge Michigan is going to spell done nan process of evaluating precisely what went incorrect successful this 1 peculiar instance.
But it's besides important to note, this is 1 case. It was very swiftly dealt with. This individual is going to suffer his management astatine nan University of Michigan. He's going to beryllium prosecuted. He mightiness spell to jail. And he's almost surely to beryllium deported.
This is simply a cautionary tale. It's 1 of nan reasons we cognize that non-citizen voting is highly rare. It's not zero, but it's very adjacent to zero because nan imaginable use to nan personification who perpetrates that crime, 1 ballot successful an predetermination pinch 160 cardinal ballots is acold outweighed by nan imaginable consequence that they're facing of deportation and different jailhouse time, et cetera.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for that.
I wanted you to explicate nan process, because I deliberation explaining really our courts activity -
DAVID BECKER: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How nan systems are group up to woody pinch these things is important.
One of nan things disclosed successful nan U.S. intelligence study put retired by nan Office of nan Director of National Intelligence was that Russia's amplifying these claims of non-citizen voting.
DAVID BECKER: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, that's what happens.
DAVID BECKER: Right. That's what happens. And location are plentifulness of protections successful spot to make judge that this is highly rare. As adjacent to zero arsenic it tin be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you. Thanks for your perspective. I cognize we'll support you connected velocity dial passim nan week.
We'll beryllium correct back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: To dissect immoderate of nan caller economical indicators we've been seeing, we're joined by Mohamed El-Erian. He is nan main economical advisor astatine Allianz.
Welcome backmost to nan program.
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: (Chief Economic Advisor, Allianz): Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, we saw connected Friday this jobs study that indicated occupation creation stalled a spot successful October. There were immoderate complicating factors, for illustration hurricanes and a onslaught astatine Boeing. But what's your position connected what this indicates for nan adjacent president of nan United States?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, astir of nan report, arsenic you pointed out, was distorted successful a really important mode by nan strikes by nan hurricanes. The bottommost line, Margaret, is we person an system that has been increasing robustly. Inflation is coming down. And nan main situation for nan adjacent management is not conscionable to support what is called economical exceptionalism, because we're outperforming each different precocious economies, but besides to proceed to reposition it for nan engines of tomorrow's prosperity. And that's perfectly critical.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we cognize nan Federal Reserve is gathering later this week, whitethorn move connected liking rates again since ostentation is astir aliases getting adjacent to that 2 percent target. But for mean people, they spot lodging prices are high, they spot market prices are still high. Where's nan script wherever those prices really travel down?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: Yes, and that's what everybody's expecting, but it's not going to happen.
Look, nan bully news is liking rates will proceed to travel down. The bully news is inflation, which is nan complaint of summation of nan costs of surviving will travel down. But it's very difficult to bring down prices. And that's 1 governmental problem is, erstwhile you show group ostentation is coming down, successful their caput they deliberation prices are coming down, not nan complaint of summation of prices. So, it's a misunderstanding, unfortunately. But you've to beryllium observant what you wish for, because if prices travel down significantly, we are past successful thing overmuch worse economically.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And that misunderstanding being utilized rather a batch connected nan run trail, Mohamed, arsenic you know.
I cognize nan banal marketplace is not an parameter of what's happening pinch nan economy, but it is forward-looking. This week what should we beryllium expecting arsenic a guidance to nan result of this election?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, judge it aliases not, a batch of investors are conscionable connected nan sideline. They spot truthful galore possibilities, beryllium it for nan statesmanlike race, beryllium it for Congress, aliases moreover nan grade to which what is promised by statesmanlike candidates will go policy. There stands to beryllium a large spread betwixt nan two. So, rather a fewer investors person said, you cognize what, there's measurement excessively overmuch uncertainty. I'm conscionable opinionated connected nan sideline and waiting to spot what emerges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: A spread betwixt what's promised and what's delivered is simply a very negotiated measurement of putting campaigning there, Mohamed. But neither campaigner is moreover making a motion towards reducing nan indebtedness load successful this country. And successful position of what's being promised, nan plans that nan vice president has put guardant is estimated by this Committee for a Responsible Budget to summation nan national indebtedness by astir $4 trillion done 2035. Donald Trump's plans would summation it by astir $8 trillion.
Congress, arsenic you suggested there, they tin put nan brakes connected thing here. But does this continued committedness of spending and nary committedness of reducing it interest you?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: It does. It does successful a large way.
Look, it was unthinkable that we would person almost 30 months of unemployment astatine 4 percent aliases beneath and we'd tally fiscal shortage of six to 8 percent. Remember, John Kennedy said, erstwhile nan sun is sparkling you hole nan roof. Instead, nan sun has been sparkling connected our system and we've created much roofs. Our indebtedness to GDP is 120 percent of - our indebtedness is 120 percent of GDP.
Look, some candidates, whether they for illustration it aliases not, are going to person to find a measurement to mean deficits and indebtedness and critically, Margaret, to create operational elasticity successful nan budget. The fund is becoming much and much rigid, which intends that it's harder to respond to unanticipated shocks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Unanticipated shocks.
In position of 1 of nan things that we person heard from nan Trump run rather a batch is this promise to usage tariffs to create income for nan authorities somehow. That's really Donald Trump suggests utilizing them.
Do you position tariffs arsenic a regressive taxation that will wounded mediocre group by raising prices for them, aliases do you position them arsenic somehow, you know, a rising tide that floats each boats?
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: So, tariffs are a vulnerable tool. They person constricted use, but if they are overused, they go counterproductive. It is - it is not a bully thought to committedness nan usage of tariffs to present each sorts of things. Be it a little deficit, beryllium it protecting home producers, beryllium it putting pressure, leveraging power connected different countries. Tariffs person a domiciled to play, but not to nan grade - and akin for nan different side. Industrial argumentation and regulation, they some person a domiciled to play.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN: But beryllium observant of overreach.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. Fair point.
Mohamed El-Erian, convey you very overmuch for your analysis. The system consistently nan number 1 rumor for American voters successful this election.
We'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Joining america now for a preview of what we'll each beryllium looking for connected Tuesday is our executive head of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, this is neck-and-neck. You've been telling america that for weeks now. What is it that nan campaigns are focusing connected and what we should beryllium looking for?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Hey there, Margaret. So, commencement pinch this. Here is nan map. The states successful achromatic are each those razor-tight battleground states. But let's get beyond nan separator of correction for a 2nd and look astatine immoderate of nan governmental possibilities. And we tin show you that successful our polling models.
Start pinch this, what I deliberation is 1 of nan cardinal dynamics successful this race. There are voters who opportunity they did not ballot successful 2020 and galore of them, successful truth astir 4 successful ten, opportunity that they decidedly will this time. Among them, particularly nan men among them, are for Donald Trump. And nan Trump run is trying to move them out.
So, we wondered, what happens if he does? And I'll show you. On this representation we're going to tally that script done our CBS models. And if he does move retired a batch of those non-voters, those men, they boost him, he would do good crossed nan sun belt, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and flip Pennsylvania, and that would beryllium capable to put him complete nan apical and springiness him nan win. That's a hypothetical, but it shows you really 1 of those run dynamics could play out.
Now, connected nan different side, there's different important dynamic, and that is nan gender gap. We've talked astir it a lot. And I'll show you a descent from 1 of our caller polls that exemplify that. So galore much women voting for Kamala Harris.
Well, you've seen nan Harris run retired location trying not only to get women turnout, but besides immoderate crossover from Republicans, and successful peculiar Republican women. So, we said, what happens if she tin get those Republican numbers to lucifer person to what Joe Biden sewage successful 2020, driven successful ample portion by women and Republican women. If I put that script into nan representation here, our models show that she would clasp nan bluish wall states crossed nan precocious Midwest, support Georgia successful her column, moreover flip North Carolina, and that would springiness her an Electoral College victory.
All of this, again, hypothetical. But it puts it successful governmental terms, immoderate of nan dynamics that could play out, and we'll beryllium watching, connected predetermination night, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you'll beryllium watching successful existent clip arsenic nan information comes successful to nan desk.
What is it that we should beryllium search passim nan night?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: So, we're going to show you everything arsenic it comes in. And nan first point I'm going to show you is wherever nan votes are, because sometimes, and I'll propulsion up nan 2020 representation present successful Georgia conscionable arsenic an example, you're going to spot reddish areas, Republican, you're going to spot bluish areas, Democratic. But I'm ever going to show, location are much group successful immoderate of these spot than others. If I return this representation and I rotate it, you'll - what you'll spot successful nan illustration of Georgia is, nan higher bars bespeak much votes, and there's much voters successful Atlanta and metro Atlanta. And Democrats request to do good successful places for illustration that. Really get a batch of turnout there. Whereas crossed agrarian areas, you spot it's much level connected nan representation here. Not arsenic galore votes but Republicans very consistently benignant of adhd to their margins there. That's 1 measurement we're going to show you nan authorities successful full.
The different point I'm going to watch is patterns, shifts from nan past predetermination to this one. Again, arsenic an example, if I were to show you nan displacement that happened from 2016 to 2020, successful Georgia, Democrats, Joe Biden astatine nan time, sewage a batch of those counties astir metro Atlanta shifting blue, those agrarian areas shifted red, Republicans. We'll spot if thing for illustration that happens again. So it's wherever nan votes travel from, really they displacement and nan past thing, very quickly, Margaret, I'll punctual everybody is, patience. If I were to return that aforesaid Georgia timeline and show you what it looked for illustration astatine opportunity 9:00 p.m., conscionable aft canvass closed, a mates hours, you spot truthful overmuch uncounted votes still successful Georgia, Metro Atlanta hadn't counted yet, et cetera. If this shape comes retired again connected predetermination night, we'll want to say, clasp on, let's hold for each nan votes to get counted earlier we cognize nan winner.
Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Patience is simply a virtue.
Anthony, convey you.
We'll beryllium correct back.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That's it for america today. Thank you each for watching. Until adjacent week. For FACE THE NATION, I'm Margaret Brennan.
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