Ex-model who accused Trump of groping her in 1990s says Epstein often spoke of Trump

The erstwhile Sports Illustrated swimsuit exemplary who has accused erstwhile President Donald Trump of groping her successful beforehand of Jeffrey Epstein successful nan early 1990s is offering much specifications astir what she claims she observed astir Epstein's narration pinch nan existent statesmanlike campaigner and what she says Epstein told her.

"I would opportunity that he talked astir having conscionable seen Donald aliases having conscionable done something, I mean, each clip we spoke," Stacey Williams, who worked arsenic a master exemplary successful nan 1990s, told ABC News successful an interview.

Williams went nationalist this week pinch an allegation that Trump groped her successful beforehand of Epstein aft she said Epstein, who would later beryllium known arsenic a serial activity offender, brought her to Trump Tower successful nan early 1990s.

'I felt truthful humiliated'

In her question and reply pinch ABC News, Williams said that during her several-month narration pinch Epstein, who she said she met successful 1992, Trump was among 3 group who Epstein talked to her astir nan most, pinch 1 of nan different 2 being Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's longtime subordinate who has since been sentenced to situation for 20 years for recruiting and grooming nan underage girls who Epstein sexually abused.

The 3rd person, Williams said, was Leslie Wexner, nan billionaire unit magnate who erstwhile employed Epstein to negociate his fortune.

"The group he said astir nan astir were his boss, aliases immoderate that personification was, Les Wexner, difficult to understand that role. And past Ghislaine, again, a small ambiguous weird relationship. And past Donald Trump," Williams told ABC News. "Those are nan group he said astir nan most."

The specifications travel aft Williams first publically discussed nan alleged incident successful item connected a nationalist "Survivors for Kamala" Zoom telephone past Monday nighttime successful support of Vice President Kamala Harris. The group is not officially affiliated pinch Harris' statesmanlike campaign.

Portrait of American financier Jeffrey Epstein and existent property developer Donald Trump arsenic they airs together astatine nan Mar-a-Lago estate, Palm Beach, Fla., 1997.

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In a connection to ABC News, Trump run spokesperson Karoline Leavitt denied Williams' allegations, stating successful part, "These accusations, made by a erstwhile activistic for Barack Obama and announced connected a Harris run telephone 2 weeks earlier nan election, are unequivocally false."

Asked astir nan declare that Epstein said often astir Trump, a Trump run spokesperson said, "It is wide known that President Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago Club erstwhile revelations astir his activity trafficking became public."

On nan Zoom call, which ABC News obtained a video of, Williams, who first began speaking publically astir nan alleged incident pinch Trump and Epstein successful Facebook posts making love backmost to 2020, said she felt for illustration nan alleged groping incident was a "twisted game" betwixt Trump and Epstein.

"I felt truthful humiliated and truthful sick to my tummy and was truthful upset, and arsenic I absorbed what happened a fewer minutes later, I felt for illustration that was immoderate benignant of sick stake aliases crippled betwixt nan 2 of them," Williams said. "I was rolled successful location for illustration a portion of nutrient for immoderate benignant of situation aliases twisted game, and I felt horrendous."

"I figured it was clip to stock this and I'm fresh to triumph this election," Williams, a longtime Democrat who has been progressive successful politics, said connected nan Zoom call. "The thought of that monster being backmost successful nan White House is my absolute worst nightmare."

'It was orchestrated'

Williams told ABC News nan alleged encounter, erstwhile she was 24, lasted nary much than 10 minutes. "I was successful daze and I was frozen," Williams said.

"He conscionable put his arms retired and pulled maine towards him and his hands connected immoderate portion of my assemblage nan full time," Williams claimed successful nan interview. "His hands would touch nan sides of my breasts, not nan front, but nan sides of my breasts, my waist, and past slid down to my butt and conscionable kept benignant of moving up and down my assemblage while nan 2 of them were carrying connected a conversation."

Speaking pinch ABC News, Williams explained that soon aft nan alleged incident, she began to fishy that nan brushwood pinch Trump and Epstein had been "orchestrated," but went into denial astir it because of nan shame it made her feel.

"Now there's nary uncertainty successful my mind it was orchestrated," Williams said.

Not agelong aft nan alleged incident, Williams said Trump sent her a handwritten postcard featuring his Mar-a-Lago property that read, "Stacey -- Your location distant from home. Love Donald." A photograph of nan postcard was shared pinch ABC News.

Two friends confirmed to ABC News successful interviews that Williams told them years agone astir nan alleged incident pinch nan erstwhile president. Longtime friend Allison Gutwillinger told ABC News successful an question and reply that successful 2015 Williams invited her complete to her location to show her astir nan alleged incident aft Trump had announced his tally for office.

"I came complete to her house. There was a postcard connected nan room counter, pinch what looked for illustration Mar-a-Lago connected nan cover. I turned it over, and location was a handwritten statement signed 'Love Donald,'" Gutwillinger said. "She past told maine he groped her successful Trump Tower."

'Not a instrumentality of his'

Trump yet distanced himself from Epstein, who successful 2019 died by termination successful situation while awaiting proceedings connected national sex trafficking charges. Authorities opportunity that, successful nan early 2000s, Epstein sexually exploited and abused dozens of insignificant girls astatine his homes successful New York and Florida, among different locations.

In 2002, Trump told New York magazine, "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy."

"He's a batch of nosy to beryllium with. It is moreover said that he likes beautiful women arsenic overmuch arsenic I do, and galore of them are connected nan younger side," Trump said astatine nan time.

Epstein was questioned astir his narration pinch Trump during a March 2010 deposition successful a civilian suit against Epstein revenge by immoderate of Epstein's victims.

Epstein answered, "Yes, sir," erstwhile asked if he had socialized pinch Trump. When asked if he "ever socialized pinch Donald Trump successful nan beingness of females nether nan property of 18" Epstein replied, "Though I'd for illustration to reply that question, astatine slightest coming I'm going to person to asseverate my Fifth, Sixth and 14th Amendment right, sir."

By nan clip Epstein was charged successful 2019, then-President Trump told reporters astatine nan White House he was "not a instrumentality of his, that I tin show you" and that he hadn't "spoken to him successful 15 years."

A twelvemonth later, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell "well" aft being asked by a newsman if nan longtime Epstein subordinate should uncover nan names of powerful group who were associated pinch nan serial activity offender.

"I don't know," Trump said. "I haven't really been pursuing it excessively much. I conscionable wish her well, frankly."

In 2021, Maxwell was convicted connected five of six counts related to nan maltreatment and trafficking of underage girls.

During Maxwell's trial, formation logs released arsenic grounds showed that Trump was listed arsenic a rider connected Epstein's backstage jets astatine slightest 7 times: 4 times successful 1993, erstwhile successful 1994 and 1995, and a antecedently known clip 1997.

At slightest 18 women person accused Trump of varying degrees of inappropriate behavior, including allegations of intersexual harassment aliases intersexual assault. During Trump's first tally for nan White House, a 2005 video surfaced wherever he discussed groping women, successful which Trump tin beryllium heard telling erstwhile "Access Hollywood" big Billy Bush, "When you're a prima they fto you do it."

"I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women, I conscionable commencement kissing them, it's for illustration a magnet. Just kiss. I don't moreover wait. And erstwhile you're a prima they fto you do it. You tin do anything," Trump said, including "grab 'em by nan p----."

Trump apologized astatine nan clip aft nan comments were made public, saying successful a video, "Anyone who knows maine knows these words don't bespeak who I am," adding, "I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize."

Trump has agelong vehemently denied each of nan women's accusations. In immoderate cases, he and his squad members person specifically denied individual accusations, but they person besides many times issued broad denials against each nan allegations, calling nan women liars.